Turkish plots : “Start a False Flag War with Syria”, the intercepted conversation between key Turkish military and political leaders that Erdogan wanted banned ~ (Video+Text Eng. trans.) ~ PART 2 updated with Full ENG & ITA Translation

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TURKEY’S DAVUTOGLU SAYS LEAK IS ‘DECLARATION OF WAR’: TURKIYE

Here Is The YouTube “Start A False Flag War With Syria” Leaked Recording That Erdogan Wanted Banned.

As noted (link), Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan had blocked Twitter access to his nation ahead of what was rumored to be a “spectacular” leak before this weekend’s elections. Then this morning, amid a mad scramble, he reportedly (despite the nation’s court ruling the bans illegal) blocked YouTube access (link).

However, by the magic of the interwebs, we have the ‘leaked’ clip and it is clear why he wanted it blocked/banned. As the rough translation explains, it purports to be a conversation between key Turkish military and political leaders discussing what appears to be a false flag attack to launch war with Syria.

Among the most damning sections:

Ahmet Davutolu: “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”

Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

Feridun Sinirliolu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

Ya?ar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”

Feridun Sinirolu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…

Yaar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.

Ahmet Davutolu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.

And just in case you had faith that this was all made up and Erdogan is right to ban it… he just admitted it was true!

To summarize: a recording confirming a NATO-member country planned a false-flag war with Syria (where have we seen that before?) and all the Prime Minister has to say is the leak was “immoral.”

Erdogan is not amused:

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan described the leaking on YouTube on Thursday of a recording of top security officials discussing possible military operations in Syria as “villainous” and the government blocked access to the video-sharing site.

“They even leaked a national security meeting. This is villainous, this is dishonesty…Who are you serving by doing audio surveillance of such an important meeting?” Erdogan declared before supporters at a rally ahead of March 30 local polls that will be a key test of his support amid a corruption scandal.

Original Video of Leaked Conversation in Turkish

VIDEO 1

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VIDEO 2

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Full Translation of the Video 1:

PART 1
Ahmet Davutoğlu:
“Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”
Hakan Fidan:
“I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”
Feridun Sinirlioğlu:
“Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”
Yaşar Güler:
“It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”

FIRST SCREEN:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: I couldn’t entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I’m not talking about the thing. There are other things we’re supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right?
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: OK, but we’re gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realized when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we’re in there in any case, right?
Yaşar Güler: It means we’re in, yes.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yeah, but there’s a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks…

SECOND SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely…
Ahmet Davutoğlu: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes.
Yaşar Güler: To Syria…
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s right.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we’ve sent them countless times. Therefore, I’d like to know what our Chief of Staff’s expectations from our ministry.
Yaşar Güler: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don’t really know, he met with Mr. Fidan.
Hakan Fidan: Well, he did mention that part but we didn’t go into any further details.
Yaşar Güler: Maybe that was what he meant… A diplomatic note to Syria?
Hakan Fidan: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination…

THIRD SCREEN:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military…
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.
Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.
Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…
Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: How did we get specials forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can’t do that, we can only do what diplomacy…
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I told you back then, for God’s sake, general, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there.
Yaşar Güler: What, you mean our stuff?
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Yes, how do you think we’ve managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order.

FOURTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we’re not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: General, the reason we’re saying no this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men.

Yaşar Güler: Look, sir, isn’t MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister’s bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don’t they just get it done? It’s at Mr. Minister’s command.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: But there’s the spot we can’t act integratedly, we can’t coordinate.
Yaşar Güler: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: We, Mr. Siniroğlu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright.

FIFTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: Also, it doesn’t have to be crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There’s no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We’ve just talked about this, sir. Let’s say we’re building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months’ worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’re back already.
Yaşar Güler: They’ll return to us, sir.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: They’ve came back from… What was it? Çobanbey.
Yaşar Güler: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can’t be just a burden on Mr. Fidan’s shoulders as it is now. It’s unacceptable. I mean, we can’t understand this. Why?

SIXTH SCREEN:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: That evening we’d reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our…
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general…
Ahmet Davutoğlu: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you’re going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again.
Yaşar Güler: Exactly, sir. You’re absolutely right.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Right? That’s how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It’s a whole other thing.

SEVENTH SCREEN

Feridun Siniroğlu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…
Yaşar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.

EIGTH SCREEN

Yaşar Güler: Sir.
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: The national security has been politicized. I don’t remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we’ve done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they’ve all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.
Yaşar Güler: Exactly.
Feridun Siniroğlu: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but…
Yaşar Güler: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security?
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I don’t even remember such a period.

NINTH SCREEN:

Yaşar Güler: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: The year 2012, we didn’t do it 2011. If only we’d took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012.
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: They were at their lowest back in 2012.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things…
Yaşar Güler: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We’re in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place.
Ahmet Davutoğlu: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn’t get the human factor in order…

Full Translation of the Video 2:

PART 2

hakan fidan: we sent around 2000 trucks loaded with supplies.

yaşar güler: i think guns aren’t needed there. my own opinion. ammo is needed. yes sir. mr. minister, mr. hakan (fidan) is here, we said we can give a general. mr. fidan himself asked for it himself in the first place. we said we can. we designated the general, and that general went.
feridun sinirlioğlu: if we need to be practical, minister of defense should sign for the sake of this nation. our prime minister should give the order once more, clearly.

ahmet davutoğlu: actually to me, tonight…

yaşar güler: sir, we don’t have any problems tonight.
feridun sinirlioğlu: the order for the operation is already given for tonight.

yaşar güler: we delivered the immediate order for the operation. perhaps mr. fidan also knows.

ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, what is the complications if we decide to send tanks?

hakan fidan: well, without coordination, if we consider the power balance…

yaşar güler: this is why we ask for the mit’s coordination mr. minister.

hakan fidan: …not with the presence and capacity of armed men.

yaşar gülen: this is why we take for the coordination of mit as the prerequisite mr. minister. that is, there is nothing tonight that you should be concerned of mr. minister. not tonight, not later. but we need to solve this issue in the long run mr. minister.

ahmet davutoğlu: i always think optionally about that thing, but we couldn’t convince those men. we will insert- strengthen with tanks from inside. from that point on we need to consider the war conditions -and between doing that and declaring war-, we are doing an operation.

yaşar güler: this is reason to war (casus belli). what we will do is directly a reason to war.

hakan fidan: not a reason to war with syria.

yaşar güler: no, these men.

hakan fidan: what i am coming at is; now, we know that 2 plus 2 makes 4. now, if we, there, that thing there does not signify anything strategically, if not the positive image etc… if we are to enter a war,
let’s plan it and enter. i mean, …

yaşar güler: this is also what we are saying since the beginning.

hakan fidan: what i cannot accept is this; not that i take… now, we consider to use force, for the tomb of suleyman sah we consider using guns, which means, for a part of homeland with size of about this room, 10 decares of land, we run the risk of using guns, for the 22-28 soldiers there. well, we have thousands of kilometers border, and yet we don’t risk it for the lives of millions of people. look, this is not reasonable! let me say this. if we are going to use guns, let us do it from very the beginning. if these men are a threat…

feridun sinirlioğlu: well, there is a reason to that…

hakan fidan: using this as a justification is another thing. the other is different..

yaşar güler: well, our ministry of foreign affairs can never find a reason to the latter, but for this yes…

hakan fidan: wait, let me tell you this…

ahmet davutoğlu: just between us, prime minister said that this (attacking the tomb of suleyman sah) should also be considered as an opportunity in this conjuncture

hakan fidan: sir, look, if the justification- we can- i can send four men to the other side, and make them fire 8 missiles to deserted territory. it is not a problem! justification can be created. problem is such a will should be put forward. we are putting forward the will to enter into a war, but we fail in reasoning.

feridun sinirlioğlu: let me tell you this, 10 decares of land. 10 decares of land is a very valid justification according to the international law, additionally, in terms of legitimacy, making such an operation against isil, the whole world will be behind us. do not even doubt this.

yaşar güler: no, we do not have any doubts.

feridun sinirlioğlu: no, i am telling this to everyone. on that matter-

yaşar güler: mr. minister, our forces there have been ready for a year, waiting. this is not a precaution we took yesterday, these men are there for a year.

hakan fidan: why we are still waiting for the tomb of suleyman sah, i don’t get this.

ahmet davutoğlu: we did, we did everything diplomatically possible.

feridun sinirlioğlu: we need a justification, a good justification.

hakan fidan: no, i can fabricate a justification, justification is not a problem.

feridun sinirlioğlu: no, fabricating justification is another, there is a very solid justification

hakan fidan: if necessary, we can make an attack there (tomb of suleyman sah) as well, there too, we attack preemptively. we can do, i mean, i am trying to understand.

feridun sinirlioğlu: we have done these before, these can be done of course. we can make it done,

hakan fidan: i mean, if we are ready to use that thing, in correct time and place, let us do it with a purpose determined by us.

ahmet davutoğlu: hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. against these men…

an officer: sir, without that happening-
ahmet davutoğlu: yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and i am coming. you cannot say to the us secretary of state, “we need to take strong measures.”

hakan fidan: well, sir, what i am saying is-

ahmet davutoğlu: then he will say, you did not even defend your own land. we had many friendly conversations, mostly with kerry and he told me exactly this, did you decide to strike and …

yaşar güler: sir, we did, we did a hundred times. with us…

feridun sinirlioğlu: well, look, three days ago, a thing happened at the office of general chief of staff, this thing came up and they had a coordination meeting. i see that for the first time. the americans-

yaşar güler: no, we do it regularly!
feridun sinirlioğlu: no, no.. the americans in that meeting distributed the plans for the no fly zone. for the first time. do you know that?

hakan fidan: hmm, what i underline is, sir, if we are going to take such an important decision for this sort of reason, sulayman sah tomb, if we are ready to take this decision
feridun sinirlioğlu: no, not only suleyman sah.

hakan fidan: i say this thing, if we are ready to make this decision, we should have taken this already. because of the threat and the benefits we have, this is what i am trying to say. as a state, inability, the strategic decision-

ahmet davutoğlu: yes, if we could have taken that decision in a smaller scale then we would not be isolated as today.

yaşar güler: no, wait, we took this decision,

hakan fidan: but it is not implemented.

yaşar güler: we cannot implement the decision, we are paralyzed for various reasons, this is our problem mr. minister. the apparatus of the state is not working.

ahmet davutoğlu: i don’t accept that, let me tell you clearly, i turn to my side of the matter, for the state tradition i was brought in. would you accept this; in the ministry of foreign affairs, certain political debates are causing lags in the processes…

ahmet davutoğlu: now, such a thing would not be legitimate! everyone should do their responsibilities with determination. if an ambassador says, mr. minister they are taking me off duty they are taking everyone off, what do you do? we say, let you take your retirement and we will find someone else to do it, don’t we? this is the way to look at it. this is how democracy works..

yaşar güler: mr. minister, you are completely right

ahmet davutoğlu: currently, the state is run only through a few agencies and a few people who are able to make proper decisions, this i

yaşar güler: certainly sir, certainly

ahmet davutoğlu: well, are we going to back down from this

yaşar güler: no, we will not back down sir, we will not

ahmet davutoğlu: anyway, let’s pass on to the other side.

END

TRADUZIONE IN LINGUA ITALIANA DELLE INTERCETTAZIONI:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Il primo ministro (Erdoğan) ha detto che nella situazione attuale, questo attacco alla Tomba del Sulimano deve essere visto come una opportunità per noi.

Hakan Fidan: Posso mandare quattro uomini in Siria, se questo sarà necessario. Posso costruire un pretesto di guerra ordinando un attacco di missili alla Turchia. Oppure possiamo preparare un attacco alla Tomba del Sulimano, se questo fosse necessario.

Yaşar Güler: Si tratta di un motivo diretto di guerra. Voglio dire, ciò che stiamo per fare costituisce un motivo diretto di guerra.

Il sito indipendente Nsnbc International ha messo online l’audio completo della conversazione, pubblicando anche la traduzione in inglese, schermata per schermata. Eccone altri passaggi:

Ahmet Davutoğlu: che cosa dovrebbe fare il ministero degli esteri? Se decidiamo di fare questa operazione, dobbiamo notificare le Nazioni Unite e il consolato di Istanbul in Siria?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Se decidiamo di fare quest’operazione, avrà un effetto scioccante. Al di là di ciò che decideremo di fare, non credo che sia saggio farlo sapere anticipatamente a nessuno.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Sì però in qualche modo dobbiamo prepararci. Per evitare errori dal punto di vista della legge internazionale. Se i carri armati turchi entrano nel loro territorio vuol dire che noi ci siamo coinvolti in ogni caso, giusto?

Yaşar Güler: Sì, vuol dire che ci siamo coinvolti.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Sì ma c’è una differenza fra entrare con gli aerei ed entrare con i carri armati…

Yaşar Güler: Forse possiamo dire al consolato in Siria che Al-Qa’ida attualmente sta collaborando con il regime siriano.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: glielo abbiamo già detto diverse volte, con diverse note diplomatiche.

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Ma qui la situazione è diversa. Una operazione condotta dalla ISIL fornirebbe una ottima giustificazione dal punto di vista delle leggi internazionali. Lo faremo apparire come se fosse stata Al-Qa’ida, e se la questione riguarda Al-Qa’ida non ci sono problemi. Se poi dobbiamo difendere la Tomba del Sulimano, allora si tratta di difendere la nostra terra.

Yaşar Güler: Io non ho nessun problema al riguardo.

Hakan Fidan: Un attimo dopo che succede ci sarà un gran putiferio a livello internazionale. Il confine non è sotto controllo.

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Certamente, è ovvio che ci debbano essere attentati con bombe.

Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan dovrebbe ricevere un appoggio immediato e noi dobbiamo aiutarlo a far arrivare armi e munizioni ai ribelli. Dobbiamo parlarne con il ministro degli interni, col nostro ministro della difesa. Dobbiamo parlarne ed arrivare ad una decisione.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Ma come abbiamo fatto a far entrare in azione le nostre forze speciali, quando c’era una minaccia nell’Iraq del Nord?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Santo cielo Generale, gliel’ho spiegato già allora. Lei sa benissimo come abbiamo fatto a far entrare quei carri armati, c’era anche lei.

Yaşar Güler: Lei sta parlando della nostra roba?

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: Sì. Come crede che siamo riusciti a far entrare i nostri carri armati in Iraq? Come crede che abbiamo fatto entrare le forze speciali e i nostri battaglioni? Io ho preso parte a quell’operazione, e mi permetta di essere chiaro: non ci fu nessuna decisione del governo in quel caso. Abbiamo fatto il tutto con un semplice ordine.

Yaşar Güler: Sono d’accordo con lei, su questo non si discute. Ma ci sono cose diverse che possiamo fare attualmente in Siria.

Ahmet Davutoğlu: Generale, il motivo per cui siamo contrari a quest’operazione è perché conosciamo le capacità di quegli uomini.

Yaşar Güler: Ma la MKE [Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation] non è forse agli ordini del nostro ministro? Dopotutto, il Qatar sta cercando di comprare munizioni in contanti, soldi alla mano. E allora, perché non lo fanno? Perché [la MKE] è agli ordini del nostro ministero.

Yaşar Güler: La cosa più importante lì sono le armi e le munizioni. Anzi nemmeno le armi, soprattutto le munizioni. Diciamo di mettere in piedi un esercito di 1000 uomini. Se li buttiamo in quella guerra senza aver predisposto una riserva di munizioni per almeno sei mesi, questa gente ci tornerà indietro dopo un paio di mesi.